Project Barley Pop.. '79 CJ-7 Build

[VBDakota]

Welp, picked up that buggy today.

It's a 74 CJ-5. No motor, but ready for a ford 460, and has a c6 trans with an NP205 ready for a twin stick. Rear 4 linked Sterling 10.25 and dovetailed, with leafs in the front and no front axle?! This is a bare bones project. I have a HP D44 in the yard waiting to be rebuilt, I will get rid of the Sterling (coughFORSALEcough) and replace it with the ever so popular 9". No ford motor for me, so c6 comes out (coughALSOFORSALEcough), and a SBC 350 is in the process of being rebuilt with a turbo 350 or 400 bolted up to it. Redo the 4 link properly and fab up some body panels. The list of things to do is a long one but I took a huge first step by getting the damn thing.

Now, where do I even begin!?

Start off the morning with caffine and carrying or should I say dragging a fully loaded D44 around that obstical course Alex calls a house and about blowing out an O ring putting it in the bed of my truck, and once again having to unload it at my house. Thank god for that piece of shit trailer I have... Why carry it you may ask? Well, at 10:30 last night I picked up a set of ram 1500 rims which we firgured would bolt right up to the Ford D44 we wrestled with first thing this morning, but us smart guys we are didnt take into account the hubs!? Whoops. So that then led to us searching high and low in 3 different cities to find a front axle to put under the buggy because it does not come with one in the purchase, and to try to find some wheels to roll this biatch. BTW, thanks Aaron for the d30 and the wheels off the Town car which shredded our arms because the belts were sticking out, it was much appreciated! And thanks Eric for letting me use those 8 lug rollers! Now, back to the adventure... We finally make it over to Ken's house where we figure, ratchet strap in the d30, bolt up all the wheels we collected, roll her on the trailer and call it a day... HA! YEAH FUCKING RIGHT! 3 or 4 broken straps later, 4 cut up hands and arms, a lug nut to hold the drag link tie rod end in and lots of cursing we finally get the bitch up on the trailer. On the trailer, 2 hours after arriving and not even ending up using the d30!? "No front axle!? What did you guys use?" Easy... what any ODU engineer would use, 2x4's. Dont laugh, the shit worked! Welp, Ken said, I'll trailer it back to your house from my house (in Portsmouth, the 4th city visited today). We were following Ken and right as we are getting onto 264, CLANG, BANG, and we see something fly out from under the trailer. Alex pulls a nascar evasive manuever and squals the 2500's tires and avoids the large piece of metal rolling in the middle of the lane. We drive by and simulatneuosly say, WTF IS THAT!?...*dramatic pause* TORQUE CONVERTER! Alex pulled over, we both get out and try to stop the rolling torque converter which was doing approx 35 down the road. Alex kicks it like Pele and about broke his foot, I kick it right after and it jumps about 3 feet up in the air. Then me and Alex realize we were standing in the middle of the road as cars whizzed by looking at the 2 dumbasses kicking shit on 264. We immediately hopped back in the truck and drove on like nothing happened. We make it back to my house where Ken put an approx 8' wide trailer and dually in an 8.5' hole... badass. Now remember, NO FRONT AXLE! How do you get it off the trailer? Chain the rear bumper to a big ass tree and pull the trailer out from under the biatch. Worked like a charm. We then sorta "put it together" to make it slightly more presentable so the wife would only threaten to divorce me and not actually go through with it. Attached are some pictures, my favorite is of Alex "riding gansta" in that biatch...

Feel free for any name suggestions... and did I miss anything Alex?

[VBDakota]

I just noticed all the pictures are of alex in my jeep? WTF?

[maduece]

Looks like that will be a fun project. Was that hella axle truss only attached at two points on the axle?

[maduece]

Also looks like a good canidate to chop the rear half of the frame off and completely tube out the back half.

[jhama78]

i know yer talkin bout using a 9 rear but ive got a bud with a set of 4.56s and a detroit thatll fit the sterling if yer interested...

[gtrsnax]

Wow, crazy story.

I'd call it the "Holy Roller" since it seems to have taken a prayer to get it moving, or "The Bicycle" or......"The Sled" maybe

[VBDakota]

Holy Roller!? hmmm... I'm liking that one! haha... and The Bicycle is kinda fitting giving its current status!

[AlxJ64]

Man, what a day yesterday. That thing was an adventure to move, and hell, it still aint in the backyard yet. I think you pretty much covered the events of the day yesterday excluding me almost dropping the Dana 30 onto my crotch at Flatlanders when we were loading it into the back of my truck. Waling backwards, carrying a Dana 30, tripped over the lip on the outside shop pad and fell backwards, spread my legs open and bam goes the end of the axle about 4 or 5 inches short of a trip to the hospital and no kids for life. That was intersesting for sure. I like the Holy Roller idea too, but I'm sure your wife already has a few good names for it.. lol

[VBDakota]

AH! the attempted dana 30 vasectomy! How could I forget? Fortunately when Kelly came home it was night time and dark outside. She really hasn't commented too much on it. But I am about to cash in all the brownie points previously accrued. ha. Let me know if you feel up to tackling that 30 later alex.

[Basterdized]

so c6 comes out (coughALSOFORSALEcough)

So how much for the C6?

[Grewe02]

Good deal man. Can't wait to see what you do with this thing. :)

[VBDakota]

Welp, Alex and Orange came over today and "attached" for lack of a better term, the front axle underneath. After about 5 minutes of pushing and a 30 point turn she is in the backyard and in a safe place and "camoflaged" so the wife and neighbors won't see... haha.

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[Argirog]

Wow. That is a crazy story. I can't believe yuo two jumped out on 264 to try and stop a 35mph torque converer.

[XTrmXJ]

So are you going to keep with the coils in the front and rear or are you going to go with coilovers or airshocks.. I would also agree with cutting the back half off and tubing it so that way the factory frame wont limit the rear flex or bottoming out, but its not mine, Im just looking to see what your plans are for it

[K9]

So are you going to keep with the coils in the front and rear or are you going to go with coilovers or airshocks..

You Fucking n00b, keep it the way it is!! Solid suspension up front w/ 180 deg articulation in the rear.

Nice Jeep Alex!

[AlxJ64]

There were so many things wrong with what we did today to get that thing in the backyard. Alwell. Its a project and I like I told Travis today.. I can't see it from my house....:party:

[VBDakota]

"Wrong" that is one of those relative things...

[VBblazerEric]

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[XTrmXJ]

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[Grewe02]

I remember Ken saying something about the leafs in the front causing some problems with the steering. I think he said the tires were rubbing them... Can't remember. I'll ask him tomorrow if I remember.

Anyway, to continue with my pointless post, I kept trying to convince him to move the leafs to the rear and the coils to the front. Maybe you could just swap them? Nothing a little bit of welding can't fix :D

[VBblazerEric]

scrap everything but the frame cage and body on that thing, i would not use any of the suspension stuff that is there already

[VBDakota]

Yeah, the arms on the rear 4 link are WAY too long, those need to be cut down. The leafs in the front are coming off and I will at least run radius arms and coils.

[DJEEPER]

http://www.ruralmissouri.org/Images/RuralMissouri/Apr05/springs.jpg

there you go...

[AlxJ64]

Buggy springs have already been suggested.. But def good looking out. MonsterCJ has a set of the M.O.R.E. Buggy springs on the front of that CJ-7 that he rocks and that thing would flex like a fool.

I think the plan as of now is to rework the rear 4 link because as been said the arms are way too long, but some of them did come with some RE Builder balls and 1"-12 tube adjusters and such. Front leafs are gone, And the front will be some sort of amalgamation of FSB suspension mods since he got such a good deal on the '79 HP44 out of Orange's FSB. I think the rear is screaming for a FW Ford 9" considering they can be bought and built for a dime a dozen all day long.

[VBDakota]

In the future any questions can be directed to my manager/crew chief.... (see above)

[AlxJ64]

In the future any questions can be directed to my manager/crew chief.... (see above)

I love building rigs with other guy's checkbooks... J/k Travis.. This thing is going to be the definition of project "cheap Jeep"

[Kack]

I vote leaves, they'll be a lot less of a pain in the ass than any radius arm coil setup, and will Flex just as much. Lots more cost effective and you won't have to deal wtih all the BS associated with getting coils set up. I.E. Eric's build, rebuild, and rebuild again. just my .02. Also do you want to wheel this year or next yr?????

[VBDakota]

Alright, I need some input. I have a 79 D44 HP out of a bronco that I want to swap over to high steer but keep the 5 on 5.5 lug pattern. What is the best knuckle-hub combo to use?

[jhama78]

chevy d44 flat tops and brono rotors/hubs are a popular combo.... im not sure about the big bearing/small bearing spindle deal but it is totally doable check the ford section on pirate or give Tim at Shakerbuilt a call hes in chesapeake... 757-546-7163 he can hook ya up with steering and knuckle machining...

[VBblazerEric]

brent might have some flatops

[jhama78]

brent might have some flatops


yeah he did have a few sets for sale a while back...

[jhama78]

lots of xover info here....

http://zenseeker.net/4x4/Steering.htm

[VBDakota]

In a little over an hour me and alex managed to remove a CJ-7 hardtop, take off doors, remove seats & loosen bolts with 20+ years of dirt and rust, hack a man's tub in 2 pieces and load it up on a trailer.

So what happens when the wife trips out when you bring home a jeep buggy? Easy, the following weekend you bring home 2/3's of a completely different jeep tub! Might be putting a cot in the workshop (it's okay, I'll be closer to the jeep).

[VBDakota]

I am a "knuckle head" I am feeling slightly dumbfounded by all the knuckles and inners and outers and such...

I found these on sleezebay, guy says they are from a "70's f-150 250" would these work for hi steer and anyone know how to tell if they are for drum or disks?

[AlxJ64]

Get anywhere on this thing latley?

[VBDakota]

Man, someone does not want me to work on this project!! It was a BEAUTIFUL day out today, so I slid out of the office early and made it home. I did a little work on the workshop and worked on the yard some. Then sat in the backyard with the wifey and drank a beer. The 83 year old neigbor walks up to the fence with her chiuaua (sp?) and strikes up a conversation with my wife. I take that as prime opportunity to slide out and start tearing into my front dana 44. After about 5-10 minutes and me getting out all my tools, the old lady starts getting light headed, turned real pale and was holding onto the fence to keep from falling over. So all work halted, I had to run over with a chair, my wife had to go get her husband (who is going deaf) and I had to help her sit in the chair. We called 911 and the ambulance came and shuttled her off. While we were waiting, her husband would ask her questions and she would answer, but like I said, he is going deaf and he couldnt hear her answers and we were having to yell them back at him. She was slipping in and out of consiousness and fraking us the F out. By the end of it all she did regain some color and even started giving the paramedics hell, by then it was dark out and I was hungry.

ridiculous....

[VBDakota]

Well, I am in a bit of a predicament (sp?). I have an sbc 350 I am on the process of rebuilding to power the heep. I also have a TH350 (anyone know how to work on trannys btw?). I was toying with the idea of trying to run the Ford NP205 because it is beefier & I already have it, but it making it bolt up to the chevy trans is going to cost an arm and a leg. But it will work with my driver's drop FSB Dana 44. So now I am thinking of hocking the FSB D44 and the Ford 205 and getting passenger's drop D44 and some sort of pass drop t-case. Unless you guys know of a decent t-case that will bolt up to a TH350 and is driver's drop!?

Thoughts...

[jhama78]

the np 241? or whatever it is, out of 88-98 chevy 4x4s is a drivers drop case thats pretty strong and can be adapted to a th350 ... or you could flip a d300 or run a heep np231... or a divorced ford 205...

[VBblazerEric]

run the np241, thats what im gonna run, there is one on craigslist right now in a burb someone is parting out sure they will let it go for a buck

[VBblazerEric]

the sye for it is like $350 tho, if you grab the adapter plate off the trans that you get the case off of it will bolt alot easier to a 700r4

apbt3178 could proably give you alot me insight then me though

[jhama78]

the 700 and the th350 share the same bolt pattern and spline count (27) but the 700 has a longer output shaft... but you can put a 208 or whatever behind a th350 with a spacer and is the 241 passenger drop for you to be able to use it eric? if so its no good for him since hes drivers drop...

[VBblazerEric]

chevy np241's came in both drop

[VBblazerEric]

dont go with a 208 because they dont oil there self very well, that problem was fixed with the 241

[jhama78]

meh, i dont think the high speed oiling problem will be all that much of a problem with a trail rig like this but whatever.... the 241 has a wider chain too i think...

[VBblazerEric]

prob not but still, 241's are pretty common these days so he might as well have the more desirable one, just sucks that the sye is so expensive, JB's the only one that makes it

[VBDakota]

I guess I will keep my eyes open for a driver's drop 241... Thanks for the info, I guess I dont have to ditch my FSB 44 after all, just the ford 205.

[VBDakota]

Woo hoo, scored a set of 5 15x8's for this peice for 20 bucks... only problem... chrome. But for 20 bucks!

[Kack]

Chrome can be painted too

[CPike3]

Flip em

[AlxJ64]

Blast em, Lock em, paint em.. Run em...

[VBDakota]

F' all that... I am going to get a set of bolt on spinners for that shiz!

[VBDakota]

A productive weekend! Snatched the ford C6 and NP205 out. Got Aaron's DTurdy out from under the front. Picked up a Ford 9" and looks like I have scored a driver's drop NP241. Also, got a factory TH350 - NP 241 Adapter off sleezebay for 11 bucks shipped.

Wait a sec, taking OUT a trans and t-case and the front axle? How was this productive again?

BTW, the C6 and the 10.25 are still for sale... please help me get rid of this shit! Anyone got an old set of tires they wanna get rid of so I can slap them on these 15's and use as rollers?

[VBDakota]

Welp, today I picked this up. I turned the crank so it is not locked up, fluids look decent, and some of the gaskets looked like new! It is out of an 88 Z71, fuel injected. Didn't come with the wiring harness or the ECU. Does anyone know if the ecu is engine/transmission specific? I know that the new dodges you have to have the right engine/trans combo for certain ecu to work. Gonna refresh this motor with all new gaskets and new fluids, then bolt it up to the TH350 and working on getting my chebby t-case and start working on crossmembers and motor mounts.

[Grewe02]

Sweetness. Keep updating :)

[VBDakota]

Anyone have a short output shaft for a TH350?

[VBDakota]

Welp, went to go get a free pair of 39x18x15's and ended up with just 1 39, and a short shaft TH350 for 20 bucks. Me and Eric tore into this thing while Charlie learned how to rebuild one via internet training!? And all we succeeded in doing was make a mess. (At least it wasnt in my garage, thanks alex!) Anyone know what holds the output shaft in the trans? I am sure that pictures will soon follow this post...(cue Alex)

[AlxJ64]

Yep yep.. Good times. That tire, for being free, is quite a beast... It'll be good for mock-up.

I didn't get any pictures of the transmission destruction though.. But I'll vouch that it was entertaining.

[VBDakota]

wow... gayer looking than I thought it would be...

Anyone have or know where to get an engine ECU & Wiring harness for an 88 TBI sbc 350?!

[jhama78]

wow... gayer looking than I thought it would be...

Anyone have or know where to get an engine ECU & Wiring harness for an 88 TBI sbc 350?!


Kack still has the k5 out in chesafreak... im sure heel part it now...

[VBDakota]

Welp, after a 17 hour workday yesterday :violin: I went to work and it was dark, came home and it was dark...gayness. Came home today and decided to try to finish taking apart that donor TH350. After searching the internet I realized that my Father in Law had a manual on Auto trannys and it was on my workbench... *doh*! Eric, it turns out it was a stupid little snap ring that held everything else in. Got that out and had the output shaft out in 10 minutes. Here are some pictures of the donor TH350, the rebuilt TH350 (with a long tailshaft), the t-case adapter and a shot of the motor after new gaskets and a rattlecan job.

[AlxJ64]

Snazzy stuff man.. So whats the next step in the process? Bolt it up and hoist it in? You said you were busy all weekend though right cause I am quazi free on Saturday.

[VBDakota]

I need to get that frame boxed, and I looked today and the front part of the tub isn't even touching the frame, no mounts anywhere! Just the roll cage. I also still have to get up with Brent to swap out transfer cases. I will try to get my tranny output swapped out to the short shaft so when I finally do get my chebby t-case I can bolt it all up and try to get some crossmembers between the frame rails. I think the next step is to cut the cage off the frame. Then I will box the back half of the frame in and work on splicing tubs together.

Yeah, we got relay for life saturday and sunday. I dont think we are going to till afternoon on Saturday and leaving mid day on Sunday.

[VBDakota]

Welp, the project has taken a little bit of a turn. I picked up Lostcoz's 79 CJ5. an ALMOST running CJ with a 304, 3 speed and cancer in all the usual spots. Got it on the trailer... Talk about a workout, thank god it was only 92 degrees out instead of the 95 like the weatherman said. Then we got it back here and got the front tires over the edge of the ramps, hopped in, pushed the clutch and rolled the bitch clean off the trailer, while Mal and Kel watched (just knowing we were gonna hurt ourselves). Tried jumping it, in a few different ways. I figure I gotta clean up the starter and some of the terminals and see if that helps. Give it a little tune up and see if she fires.

This also means that the 74 I picked up last year needs TO GO! I am going to update my forsale thread, but the frame with cage, sterling 10.25, the 79 ford D44 and all its stearing and control arms, the TH350 and probably some other shit that I am forgetting is all for sale.

Sorry for the long ass post.

[VBDakota]

Here are some pictures I took. I am sure Alex had 1 or 2. Also, turns out this CJ is a 25th anniversary CJ. Did some research and noone actually knows how many there are but some speculate that there wasnt more than 1000 made.:party:

[ken89put]

awesome piixs

[VBDakota]

next pictures will be of me signing divorce papers....:devil:

[Kack]

Comp cut, springover, YJ springs ft, XJ rear springs, flatfender, x-over high steer, cage, 37's, 9 inch rear, 9 inch or toy ft axle.

I can picture it coming together nicely

[lostcoz]

Damn.....it even looks good in your yard. Alex has got some pix of the intensive work to get it on the trailer........ probably wouldnt have been so bad if the trailer didnt have a 6 foot ride height!!! LOL

Other than the miscalculation in design on the ramps, sounds like this was a much better experience than the 74.

[AlxJ64]

Comp cut, springover, YJ springs ft, XJ rear springs, flatfender, x-over high steer, cage, 37's, 9 inch rear, 9 inch or toy ft axle.

I can picture it coming together nicely


Yep.. I think every bit of that plan has been discussed actually... Much better starting point than the '74, but someone will pick up that stuff I bet.

[VBDakota]

Comp cut, springover, YJ springs ft, XJ rear springs, flatfender, x-over high steer, cage, 37's, 9 inch rear, 9 inch or toy ft axle.

I can picture it coming together nicely

Ayup... I got a 9" already, cancer in all the corners and front fenders so at least tube fenders and most likely a comp cut in the near future, front shackles have seen better days so new shackles and springs while I'm at it (any you XJ boys got some old springs you wanna get off of), cage and bumpers. :party:

[Kack]

And the race shop is only about 1/4 mile from your house. Whatcha doin this week? I think I have some low mile YJ springs somewhere. Shackles are easy. XJ Rears, boomerang shackles that mount on the rear bumper/ xmember.

[VBDakota]

this week... trying to get this thing running. I tried jumping it off my dakota cleaned up some of the terminals, it tried to start. I got the starter almost out (headers in the way) and the rain started today. I filled the MC and the saginaw pump (seems there is a small ps leak somewhere). I am gonna get some new belts for it also. If I can get it running, I'll drive it over there! phuck the rain...

[VBDakota]

New starter = 50 bucks
New Battery = 70 bucks
New Belts = 20 bucks
Reviving a 30 year old jeep and a starting a new moneypit = priceless...

SHES ALIVE! I had to loosen the passenger's side header to get the friggin starter out, while I was down there I took a hammer and a screwdriver and chisseled about 20lbs of old mud out from under her. New belts, now for an oil change and to bleed the brakes! Put it in gear, took it for a nice cruise 50ft down the driveway and back.

[gtrsnax]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!


Dude !!

http://www.reelfilm.com/images/dude.jpg

[jhama78]

kickass.. now the real money will start to get spent...

[Kack]

How convenient, it will make it to the shjop and back now

[jhama78]

first on the plate sawzall action!!!!

[CPike3]

Do work, son.

[FULL AWN]

I think I have some XJ rears. Let me look tonight and I'll give them to Alex next time I see them. Consider them a donation to the cause.

[VBDakota]

So the wife goes out back to get the dog and yells, "Travis... something is on fire, I think it is on the side of the house" I think to myself, well, there is nothing over there except for the.... OH FUCK... I run out front and there was smoke billowing out from under the hood of the CJ. nice... When I popped the hood smoke was coming out of the ignition coil and it was leaking oil all over.

Here's the deal. There was nothing connected to the positive terminal on the ignition coil. I just took a wire and ran it from the (+) to the starter silenoid (probably the wrong side). I take it I screwed up and this thing was getting juice all the time, overheated it and it started smoking? Sound right?

I was worried enough to go back inside and get my phone to snap a pic!:devil:

[CPike3]

So is it still on fire?

[VBDakota]

nah... fire went out before I could get the marshmellows

[AlxJ64]

Bet that nice new battery is .. D - E - D!!!

Better plan on putting it on the Charger in the morning to save it from certain death.. Or just take it back in tomorrow for another one..

[VBDakota]

I just returned the battery charger back to the FIL's garage too. Might just return the battery, I gotta go get an airfilter anyway, dunno. That was a stupid mistake, now I am trying to figure out the correct way to hook up the hot wire to the ignition coil.

[CPike3]

Alex, why is that blue thing above your posts always so large?

[VBblazerEric]

i dont see any large blue thing

[CPike3]

Like this. Eric, your's is half that size...

[AlxJ64]

Start a new thread Charlie.

[gtrsnax]

Probably from his tall avatar. Hijacked conversation is complete. The End.


Back to the Jeep.
So, you let all the smoke out of the coil now, it's not gonna work anymore right?

Whats the next couple steps on your list? A little bit of engine stuff or right to the body/suspension?

[AlxJ64]

Whats the next couple steps on your list? A little bit of engine stuff or right to the body/suspension?

I'm hoping he says brakes.. It was a very " Apollo's Chariot" experience unloading that thing off of the trailer in the street in front of his house.. And you've seen how high my trailer is...

[VBDakota]

I needta bleed the brakes, I have no pedal right now. And obviously replace the coil and possibly the battery. Headlights arent working either, might be bad bulbs. Then I am going to start into some of the suspension. The front shackles are all fubar'd, I gotta get some more lift ot clear these damn 35's. Trim the fenders for the time being I guess until I can get some tube fenders on there. Me and Alex have been throwing around Ideas for some bumpers. And some rust repair is definitely in order.

[gtrsnax]

Bumper ideas....I've always been a fan of bobbing the frame back as far as possible, I guess until you hit the steering box, then incorporate your front bumper/crossmember all in one. Gives you better approach angles up front then rather than stretching your wheelbase forward a tad

This whole project needs its own thread. Gimme a name Travis and I'll split it from the point you got the Anni. CJ

[AlxJ64]

Because of the location of the front spring hangers on it though, theres not much left to bob cut back...

And Travis, Do some math. I need to make some shackles for someone this weekend anyways. We'll just grab a big piece of flat bar and do some work

[VBDakota]

This whole project needs its own thread. Gimme a name Travis and I'll split it from the point you got the Anni. CJ

Hmmm, dunno, just name it CJ5 round 2.:party:

[Kack]

Rear shackles need to be boomerangs with XJ springs, flat bar won't work unless it's 6" wide.

Travis, you with me on the rear xmember/ bumper/ shackle hanger idea?

Find me some steel and I'll punch em out on the ironworker.

[CPike3]

Why not do ellipticals?

[Kack]

elipticals have a lot to hang up on and you have to do almost as much work as a coil 4 link.
Def a viable option if Travis can find a good way to mount them without having something hanging down too far. I dunno about their load carrying capability, do some research Charlie, see how others have done them.

Seems like they would have a propensity to wheelhop on climbs

[AlxJ64]

Seems like they would have a propensity to wheelhop on climbs

I had talked to Travis about elipticals as well. I think it would pretty cool to try out. Alot of guys run a 3 link to 2 link setup even. Some do track bars some don't depending on the spring hangar design.. It'd be really cool to see done because not a real common setup...

[jhama78]

just keep it simple... get it running and driving... clearance for the tires and drive it the rest of the summer.... or if you are hellbent on modifying it... do the xj rears now and the ellipticals later... dont make this into some huge ordeal that wont get done this summer and cause ya to lose interest in the project...

[jhama78]

just out of curiosity how long are the rear springs on your cj?

[Kack]

Shorter than XJ, the XJ moves rear back a couple inches and is a long ass spring. can put them and some yj fronts with a simple SOA and roll out all summer long. forget the complicated stuff. 4 leaf springs works, it's a CJ, Keep it a CJ

[VBDakota]

FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKER... After a new coil and I moved the + ignition coil wire to the other side of the solenoid... The motor cranks but just wont fire. I put a battery tester on it, it is still good. dunno... Thoughts!?...

Yeah, I just wanna get the biatch running and drivable for the summer. It has broken shackles which will cost all of 15-20 bucks for a set. So my main focus is to get it road worthy. I have kicked around the idea of an elliptical setup but that is in the future. I have seen a build on pirate that ran XJ's in the rear and gave it a wider wheelbase, so once I get everything together that will be the next step, but first, just fixing the broken. Starting with getting it running again...

[jhama78]

if you moved it to the other side of the solenoid then its only getting power during cranking.... is there an "I" terminal on the solenoid? It should be on a key on hot terminal Id think....

[AlxJ64]

It should be on a key on hot terminal Id think....

I think that would be the small terminal closer to the firewall in your case Travis.

[AlxJ64]

Did you ever get this thing started... back.. again...?


Because loading this thing was a bear... And yes Charlie.. they work now... No certain death like before.... I even did math this time to make sure... lol

[VBDakota]

Welp, another step tprwards progress, I got headlights... I went back to advance and swapped out the coil. They didnt have the ignition condenser so I gotta go to napa tomorrow. And we will play the game again.

[VBDakota]

I think I am screwed, I was searching on the NAPA website and I see about 10 different ignition condensers!

[VBDakota]

And they all are for lawn mower motors... wtf...

[Kack]

next time you guys can borrow my trailer winch. It's portable

[jhama78]

Good ol wakefield virginia... I kinda miss that place a little bit... spent the first 18 years of my life in that wide spot in the road... lol

Is there any way to do an electronic ignition upgrade to that pile? Check out pertronix or somebody like that... points and condenser bring teh suck...

[jhama78]

http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/american.htm

[AlxJ64]

I think he can pick up a complete Mallory from Jegs, its like $170 for an electronic with dual Mech. Advance, and all the other bells and whistles, it can even be upgraded to a buzz box and all sorts of other goodies if he ever decided to do that with a 304....

[jhama78]

the bomb diggity... HEI bitches... and you can get replacement parts anywhere...

http://www.performancedistributors.com/

http://www.performancedistributors.com/amcdui.htm

[VBDakota]

I found that website too, then I found this...

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mallory/650/8560001/10002/-1

1/2 the price!:party:

[jhama78]

Yep thats def half the price... does it use stock GM components though? I.e. module pickup etc? or do you have to buy them from mallory?

[AlxJ64]

I threw one of those in my Mustang.. I know.. Sin sin.. on the GM parts in a Ford.. But I love that distrubutor, between that and a decent coil, you'll know it when the plug wires start to break down cause she makes enough fire to arc across your arm while tweeking the Carb.

[jhama78]

some inspiration for your build thread... lol

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=700150

[VBDakota]

so that is how it is done correctly huh!?

[jhama78]

so that is how it is done correctly huh!?


yes... bushingless shackles are the cats ass...:thumb:

[Kack]

That thing is sick, and for 2500$ what a deal

[lostcoz]

I would probably buy it...............................

[VBDakota]

Welp, its alive... again... haha. I went to an autovalue and they had the condenser and points in stock. Alex came over after work and we got it running again. Now, time for brakes. I got a piece of tubing and a wrench, a bottle of brake fluid. Filled up the reservoir I climbed under the jeep to open the valve and Alex starts pumping the pedal and I see it squirting brake fluid from up under the driver's seat. The hard line from there back to the rear is missing. Next... hand bending a brake line...

[gtrsnax]

I got a bender. They're like $7 or some crap, but I got one if you want one

[VBDakota]

Well, here is how it sits as of this afternoon. I had some fenders from my 74 that I swapped onto these (they were already cut like that) but they look better than the swiss cheese fenders. I cleaned up the inside and threw in some other seats and rattlecanned some shit. I am still fighting that brakeline. For some stupid ass reason I cant get the fitting threaded in at the junction up under the firewall. And it is in such a tight spot that I cant get the whole junction out. I have also developed a new problem. She will run for a second but shut off abruptly. I poured a few gallons of liquid gold in the tank and tried giving it gas by hand from under the hood and I didnt see anything coming out of the jets. So I am thinking I have a clogged fuel filter or somewhere between the gas tank and the carb. If I spray some starting fluid in, she will fire and run till that has burned off. dunno... I also cut what was left off the shackles and now I gotta mount the new ones. Anyway, enough talk onto a couple pictures...

[akxj]

troutindustries.com makes nice bumper brackets to build your own bumpers...

[Kack]

Lookin good. Tank might be rusty on the inside.

[jhama78]

looks good mang, i dig the flat fenders... and bobbed bumper

[VBDakota]

Lookin good. Tank might be rusty on the inside.

I was thinking the same thing... figured that there was something cloggin up the supply line. I am also going to check out the carb, see if the floats are good and if it has one of those internal filters. I also got the correct fitting for the brake line, so I am going to try to get the brakes finished this afternoon.

looks good mang, i dig the flat fenders... and bobbed bumper

Sawzall's are fun man... easy to get carried away with too...:devil:

[jhama78]

what carb is on it? if its stock id imagine its got some kinda filter on it....

[VBDakota]

It is an aftermarket 4 barrel...

[jhama78]

is it a holley? Quadrajet? Carter? post a pic... hopefully its a holley because they are the simplest carbs in the world to work on...

[FULL AWN]

Put some TJ flares on the rear. IMO they look pretty good on the rear of a CJ and have a bigger opening for a bigger tar

[VBDakota]

is it a holley? Quadrajet? Carter? post a pic... hopefully its a holley because they are the simplest carbs in the world to work on...

I wanna say it is an edlebrock... It has eb intake manifold and valve covers, so I wanna say the previous owner went with the performer package.

Also, anyone know a good place to go and get a windshield replaced? I figure a mom and pop shop might be cheaper than a big place like Binswanger glass...

[Kack]

LEXAN!!!!! IT'S A FLAT WIDSHIELD....



They all cost about the same, it's nice to give mom and pop $$ though

[VBDakota]

lexan isnt street legal is it?

And always support "the small guy"...

[gtrsnax]

Lexan + clear packing tape = Shatter safe windsheild

[CPike3]

Don't plan on using your wipers though

[Kack]

Yeah, no wipers on it but I'd rather have a laminate Lexan windshield than a shatter glass windshield. The lexan can take a tree impact and flex a lot more. As far as legality goes, a vehicle technically doesn't even need a windshield as long as the driver wears goggles. You can register that thing historic and never have to deal with inspections. That's how hot rods get away with so much stuff.

[VBDakota]

I was tinkering with the idea of antique plates just for that reason. Then I have to worry about milage and stuff... dunno...

[FULL AWN]

Shit I drove mine like this often with just a set of ski goggles. Watch the bugs though...those suckas hurt when they smack ya in the face:devil:

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/39793/2284152770089287707S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2284152770089287707RGQnFO)

[Kack]

you really think you'll put 7000 miles on it in a yr? Mine is antique, it's gone about 1200 miles since March. Bugs do hurt like hell, a junebug in the face will fawk u up. Pebbles and sand are miserable, makes you respect the paint on the ft of your truck.

[FULL AWN]

I have a speedglass one if your interested.

[VBDakota]

From the DMV website...

Testing its operation, obtaining repairs or maintenance, selling the vehicle or trailer, transportation to and from events as described in number 1 above and for the occasional pleasure driving not to exceed 250 miles from your residence.

So I think that covers it just fine... Looks like I am gonna get some antique plates!

[jhama78]

hells yess... please god dont get the fugly yellow ones... get the black and white ones...

[AlxJ64]

x2

[VBblazerEric]

how old does it have to be?

[jhama78]

how old does it have to be?


25yrs

[VBblazerEric]

booo....i was hoping to put some on the blazer

[VBDakota]

I got my brake line last night, gotta run to American Maint. and get a few bolts and fittings. Also took a look at the carb. Holley 4 barrel.

[jhama78]

is there any kind of filter on it?? It would take less than 15 minutes to pull both of the float bowls and cllean them out.... although it would be a little smarter to go ahead and order a rebuild kit for it with nonstick gaskets and go ahead and put spring loaded needle and seat assemblies in it since it is an off road vehicle... as well as connecting the float bowl vents with a tube to prevent flooding on angles...

[AlxJ64]

Jrod is building my carb for my next carbed rig... He just doesn't know it yet... lol

[jhama78]

BRING IT AWN!!!!

[VBDakota]

Jrod is building my carb for my next carbed rig... He just doesn't know it yet... lol

HA! he is rebuilding mine first!:devil:

is there any kind of filter on it?? It would take less than 15 minutes to pull both of the float bowls and cllean them out.... although it would be a little smarter to go ahead and order a rebuild kit for it with nonstick gaskets and go ahead and put spring loaded needle and seat assemblies in it since it is an off road vehicle... as well as connecting the float bowl vents with a tube to prevent flooding on angles...

Because I have cleaned carbs but as for all that shit...:wtf:

[jhama78]

get the numbers off of the choke horn... and you can get a rebuild kit based on them.. or take some pics of the carb and post them on here I might be able to tell what it is by the pics...

the spring loaded needle and seat keep the floats from bouncing while yer off road and letting more fuel than is needed into the float bowl.

the extended bowl vents keep the fuel that is alread in the float bowls from slohsing out of the vent and into the throat of the carb creating a flood situation.... thats why the holley truck avenger carbs have the little tube with all of hte holes in it connecting the two float bowl vents

[jhama78]

you can also lower fuel pressure some to help carb issues on the trail but I dont think you haveta worry about that right now with a stock pump...

[jhama78]

http://www.offroaders.com/directory/products/holley-truck-avenger.htm

[VBDakota]

So I went to my dentist @ 2 this afternoon & didnt leave till 5:30. Had a crown and 2 fillings... I dont feel like messing with shit right now... hell, I can't even feel half my face! ha. So I bent some brake line and got the carb number.... Jrod, mine is the holley 1850-2.

[jhama78]

youve got a 600 vac seondary holley 4160... the diff between a 4150 and a 4160 is that the secondaries have a metering block (4150) instead of a metering plate (4160) like what you've got... heres a rebuild kit for your junk if you wanna buy it... its not hard to convert the 4160 to a 4150 so you can change jets int the secondaries but honestly its prolly not worth it with a stock heater...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Holley-37-119-4160-series-carburetor-Renew-kit_W0QQitemZ250118903603QQcmdZViewItem

[lostcoz]

When all else fails......Jrod is there to bail us out...........

[VBDakota]

I am going to base mine off this rig...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-CJ-jeep-cj-7-1976-4x4-rock-crawler_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6280QQihZ015QQi temZ250276793704QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[jhama78]

I am going to base mine off this rig...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-CJ-jeep-cj-7-1976-4x4-rock-crawler_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6280QQihZ015QQi temZ250276793704QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


LMFAO!!! that thing is fawkin terrible.... although there are def some nice parts on it...

[jhama78]

And if that dude had made an ad for me like that trying to sell something Id fire his ass... what an illiterate mofo.... lol

[VBDakota]

LMFAO!!! that thing is fawkin terrible.... although there are def some nice parts on it...
That thing is awesome... It tops the pos you linked up here off pirate! HA...

Anyways, me and alex got together today and put in some wrenchtime on both our rigs... I will let him post up pics of what we did to his today, but we fabbed up some sliders for mine... I haven't drilled them yet so it is just C-clamped on, but tell me what ya think...

[jhama78]

looks good mang... do work son.

[VBDakota]

you see where my priorities are... as opposed to figuring out when it wont run, I build sliders! :party:

[lostcoz]

Almost looks like a new tub on it......I guess you can hide holes.LOL

Lookin good...keep it up

[VBDakota]

Almost looks like a new tub on it......I guess you can hide holes.LOL

Lookin good...keep it up

I burned up a cheapy grinder and had to go out and get a new one. I found someone used a bunch of bondo on this thing, cleaned some of that up and slapped some fenders I had laying around on, a few rattlecans and we are lookin better. Not to mention using 80 lbs of steel to hide some serious holes in the tub!:devil:

[VBDakota]

LMFAO!!! that thing is fawkin terrible.... although there are def some nice parts on it...


I just checked it and there were 19 bids on that piece of sh!t and it went up to $10,650! To top it off, the reserve wasnt met.:party:

[Kack]

Looks good, I don't like the square corners on the ft of the sliders but that's easily remedied. This is a way better project than the last "CJ." Need tp pick a cool color of rust-o-leum for it

[VBDakota]

Yeah, I am not a big fan either, but like you said easily remedied.

On another note, I got the brake lines flared, bent and connected, the front shackles in, the sliders painted and mounted. I gotta bleed the brakes and looks like I will have to replace the fuel pump. I smelled the oil and you could smell gas in it. So unless anyone else has any better ideas!? I will hit advance on the way home tomorrow...

[Kack]

hmm, smelled gas in the oil, sounds like you might be needing some rings.

[AlxJ64]

Yeah, I am not a big fan either, but like you said easily remedied.

On another note, I got the brake lines flared, bent and connected, the front shackles in, the sliders painted and mounted. I gotta bleed the brakes and looks like I will have to replace the fuel pump. I smelled the oil and you could smell gas in it. So unless anyone else has any better ideas!? I will hit advance on the way home tomorrow...


As many times as that thing was cranked with the bad points and coil I'm not surprised that its got some gas in the oil. No spark and lots of fuel, its gotta go somewhere.

Change the oil before you drive it anywhere and keep an eye on it just in case Kack is right on the rings... Those things were kinda known for eating the rings in the last two cylinders for some reason...:shrug:

[jhama78]

change fuel pump and oil before you drive that pile...

[VBDakota]

change fuel pump and oil before you drive that pile...

Thats the plan... Advance has got the pump on the shelf with my name on it, I am gonna go pick up the pump and some oil on my way home today, we'll see.

[VBDakota]

I cant friggin win... I installed the new fuel pump and changed the oil... man it was a pain in the ass getting that old oil filter off. Went to fire her up and she ran for a second and shut off again. Turned the key and got NOTHING! I think it is a bad ground or starter sylenoid... I will try again tomorrow...

[Kack]

You probably already have but, Did you check and clean your battery cables and terminals. Has fawked me many times. If A-ron has been anywhere near this thing, I'll bet $$ on battery cables. Any battery he touches corrodes in a day

[VBDakota]

its RUNNING!... AGAIN... I swapped the solenoid and installed a new starter cable. I also bought another smaller fuel filter, put that one before the carb, and the big one before the fuel pump. I still plan on dropping the tank and cleaning it out. I also ran new grounds for the lights and they work like new. I took my bride for the first official ride in the new chariot... she had a reality check. Bias ply's that have been sitting for a few weeks and were a few lbs low about beat us to death, I was too lazy to bleed the brakes so we used the tranny to slow us down and the mufflers are right under the seat so they were nice and loud and smelly :devil:.

One problem I do have is that I have to feather the gas pedal, if I let off she will shut off!? Any thoughts?

[CPike3]

Sweeeeeeeeeeet

[AlxJ64]

Old bad gas in the thing for one, secondly I think it may be a little on the rich side. I am unfamiliar with that carb, but one day I can show you how to set it. Also, timing may need to be tweeked on it.

[Kack]

Groovy. Congrats, Once the brakes bleed out and the rear is welded that baby's ready for a trip

[jhama78]

One problem I do have is that I have to feather the gas pedal, if I let off she will shut off!? Any thoughts?

sounds like the accelerator pump is bad or it needs the idle mixture screws or curb idle adjusted.... do you have any idea what rpm it idles at?

[VBDakota]

Not sure what it is supposed to idle at, but I know that right now, it doesnt idle. I might mess with the idle screw, it wouldnt hurt a thing to adjust the timing too...

[Kack]

Figure that it idles at 800 and work down from there.

[VBDakota]

yeah I was thinking around the same number... my old RX7 used to idle around 750

[Kack]

that's about the only comparable thing between an RX7 and a CJ. Do not ever compare them on anything else, EVER! :party:

[VBDakota]

haha... yeah, my apologies...

Welp, the brakes are bled and we drove it up to the gas station and over to my inlaws... no tags, title or inspection... whatever. I do know that the steering is touchy and those tires ride horrible! So I am definitely gonna sell these ground hawgs, so if anyone is looking for a set, shoot me a PM!

[jhama78]

didja figure out the carb problem?

[VBDakota]

oh yeah... forgot to add that. I just tweaked the idle screw and she idles at about 800-900 rpms. It only cut off once on me, flew up to a stop sign and she shut off. I figure I need to get some new plugs and adjust the timing. At least it is drivable! Next is bumpers and a shackle reversal in the front.

[jhama78]

do work son

[VBDakota]

welp, I wanna start fixing these floor pans here soon. They already have some patch panels in there but they are screwed in. I figure I will cut out all the rusty sh!t and weld in the panels. Any words of advice about welding sheet metal? I figure low wire speed and not too much heat (not to blow holes in the sheet metal!>?). Also, I plan on taking the belly skid off but I think it is the tranny/x-case cross member, so I need to figure out a way to drop the skid without dropping the transmission and transfer case on my dome.

[AlxJ64]

Also, I plan on taking the belly skid off but I think it is the tranny/x-case cross member, so I need to figure out a way to drop the skid without dropping the transmission and transfer case on my dome.
Jack up the transmission just a hair and block it up with a trust worthy jackstand or something under it. I have always been able to nestle a jackstand on the yoke neck at my SYE. That Dana 20 should have a fixed yoke too so you may be able to use the same trick.

[jhama78]

or if you need to be all the way under the jeep you could bolt a piece of chain across the framerails and let the tailshaft rest on that while you pull the xmember...

[jhama78]

Pic for inspiration... this looks badass... i dont know why but i like how boxy it looks...:eyebrow:

[gtrsnax]

Reminds me of the medic Jeeps for some reason. I picture it in white with the Red Cross emblem on it. Didnt they have a bigger soft top in the back to house the surgeons table and pinball machine?

Maybe it's juts the big back end of these.....

http://www.willys-mb.co.uk/images/dfr/jeep-1.jpg

[AlxJ64]

Looks very Grave Digger-esque. That Dark late 40s early 50s body style.. Almost Death machinish... Ha ha.. Some reason Scooby doo and the reluctant wearwolf just jumped into my head. Man I need to go out for lunch today.

[lostcoz]

Another pic of inspiration:


You could be here

[VBDakota]

It's been a while since I posted up anything on here...

Saturday I cruised out to Newport News where I picked up a Bestop soft top and frame, 2 piece soft doors and a whole windshield (frame and glass) all of it for 140... not too shabby. The soft top kicked my ass putting it on, but it is on there now. I gotta swap out windshields and get rid of the "cracka just got his jeep shot the F up while buying crack in da hood" look.

The top has come unstitched from the black insert in 1 place. Anyone got any suggestions for repair?

[VBDakota]

oh also, anyone wanna pick up these for me?

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/zip/825222029.html

[jhama78]

It's been a while since I posted up anything on here...

Saturday I cruised out to Newport News where I picked up a Bestop soft top and frame, 2 piece soft doors and a whole windshield (frame and glass) all of it for 140... not too shabby. The soft top kicked my ass putting it on, but it is on there now. I gotta swap out windshields and get rid of the "cracka just got his jeep shot the F up while buying crack in da hood" look.

The top has come unstitched from the black insert in 1 place. Anyone got any suggestions for repair?


Boat top shop?

[jhama78]

oh also, anyone wanna pick up these for me?

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/zip/825222029.html


jdm74 and twovalvekid both live in suffolk...

[AlxJ64]

Post some pics of the new clothes for the rig. You want to get this thing ready for the Crozet run?

[lostcoz]

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/pts/865752051.html

[VBDakota]

what happens when you find a couple of sawzall blades on your workbench? This is what's left of the old 74...

[VBDakota]

oh yeah and the "new" windshield for the 79 and a picture of the new canvas...

[BESRK]

That CJ would be better with a D44 rear axle.. you know, the one I have laying on the shop floor.. :dfinger:

[Kack]

Hells yeah my Asian dancing friend, thing's shapin up.

[CPike3]

Fo reals Travis. Tomorrow afternoon?

[jhama78]

That CJ would be better with a D44 rear axle.. you know, the one I have laying on the shop floor.. :dfinger:


Travis, Do work son...:eyebrow:

[lostcoz]

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/pts/874632374.html


Dont know if ya need anything.....looks like this guy has it all .......

[VBDakota]

I'm picking up a CJ dana 30 with 3.73's in the morning. SOOOOOO..... I needta get my hands on an lsd for the 44 and reassemble it and slap this other dana 30 under the front and I will be ready to rock. I plan on an lsd for the rear and a locright for the front so she will have a little bit of street manners, especially with the manual hubs.

I also got a new skid and gas tank from Eddie, (Thanks dude!) so I know what I am going to be playing with this weekend!

[apbt3178]

I needta get my hands on an lsd for the 44 and reassemble it and slap this other dana 30 under the front and I will be ready to rock.
What gear ratio are you going to run in the D44?
Jeff's Bronco Graveyard has some of the better prices I've seen on D44 Powerlok LSD's. Great customer service too.

$279 if you're running 3.92's-down(or 4.56-up thick ring). (http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-22100_d44_power-lock__3_92_down_complete.htm)

$309 if you're running 3.92's-up. (http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-22101_d44_power-lock__3_93_and_up_complete.htm)

[VBDakota]

Welp, got up at 6, and met up with a guy off of Jeepforum and traded 24 bottles of hops for this...

[apbt3178]

Need any parts to convert it to disc brakes? Ironically enough, I'm priming some today...

[gtrsnax]

It'll never track straight as long as the hubs are pointed in different directions. You got ripped :flip:

[VBDakota]

Need any parts to convert it to disc brakes? Ironically enough, I'm priming some today...

I just want the carrier and gears outta it. What do ya'll think about MM hubs?

[apbt3178]

I just want the carrier and gears outta it. What do ya'll think about MM hubs?
I started running 35spline stainless MM's in my Tahoe(D60hp) after my more expensive 35spline Warn Premiums developed a mind of their own and started locking in whenever they saw fit(eventually resulted in a ruined cap).

Warn Premiums for a D44 are only $89(see my link to JBG above) and I haven't had the same trouble from them as I have the Warn D60 hubs.

[VBDakota]

Where is a good place to get new brake hardware for the 44?

[Kack]

any 10 bolt or 44 junk should work

[AlxJ64]

Where is a good place to get new brake hardware for the 44?

Snag some disc brake parts off of the Isuzu setup. You may need to find a 5 on 5.5 rotor that will match up with the calipers. There are a million write-ups on the disc conversions.

I'll bounce some emails off of ya in the office on Monday now that I am back in town.

[VBDakota]

Alright... I did some talking with Alex and I think I have come up with a plan. I think I am going to swap the disks out from under the heep and onto this D30. While I'm at it, I am on the hunt for a lunchbox locker for my D30 so if anyone sees a deal on one, let me know. I am going to look into what it is going to take to get disks on my D44 rear. I need to track down a lsd carrier for it too. Today while I was "working" in Newport News I wandered over to Ground Pounder Fab and snagged 4 leaf springs already with bushings & shackles! (Thanks again eddie!). For the time being I am going to leave it SUA and I will see how it goes from there. The front leafs on a CJ are 2" where the rears are 2.5" So I started digging through some boxes where I found 2, 2.5" shackle hangars!!! AWESOMENESS...

So in summary, I am going to swap in a refreshed D30 and a D44, both with 3.73's. Lunchbox locker front and LSD rear. 4" lift springs SUA all the way around. I also have renamed the thread to Project Barley Pop, because for the last few parts I have purchased with beer... how friggin awesome is that... (Eddie, that Mich Ultra is coming to ya man! PROMISE!)

[VBDakota]

Okay, time for the question and answer portion of the thread. My 3 speed is killing me... It is just a dog of a transmission. I am looking into auto both for better crawl ratios and the ability for the wife to drive it. Anyone know of an auto that will bolt up to my 304, and maybe to my dana 20? Or better yet... anyone HAVE ONE!?!? :eyebrow:

[jhama78]

amc th400 you might get lucky and find one attached to a d20...

[VBDakota]

Yeah, that is what I found out... waggys had the 400 and the 727's... so... anyone got one lying around!?

[jhama78]

you will prolly end up finding a quadratrac tcase unfortunately... id start looking on pirate and other bbs... maybe on the fullsize jeep forums as well...

[jhama78]

http://www.ifsja.org/

[Kack]

you might be in luck. I think there's some part of everything at Flatlanders. We just put a tranny in a waggy and there were some extra parts for sure. I think there's a tranny that needs a rebuild and a case somewhere in there.

[VBDakota]

hmmm... let me know!

[VBDakota]

Okay, I know a guy who has a Ford T-18 with a 6.32 1st gear! So I am going to pick that up and at least ahve a 4 speed in the heep. Also, I picked up a trac lok from a guy in VB. So I am gonna start work on buttoning up this D44 rear. I am considering doing a disk setup, but every thread I have found online guys have spend 700-800 bucks for rear disks! WTF!? I have manual brakes on it now... would the drums be insufficient!? I would like to have more stopping power, but I am wayyyy to fillipino to spend 800 bucks on fawking brakes...

input requested....

[gtrsnax]

input requested....

Ok, you should have said "way too fillipino to spend" cuz it has 2 o's in it.

[CPike3]

He's too Filipino to spell correctly as well.

I don't know how you could possibly spend that much on rear brakes!

[gtrsnax]

Ok, I cant find it in your thread. What 44 do you have? Stock Jeep or another model's rear end? I'll do some web searching for you to locate a bubba-friendly disc convert.

[CPike3]

I think it's a Scout 44. Whatever one he got from Eddie, I don't remember.

[VBDakota]

Way to go spelling police...

and it is a jeep nt dana44...

[CPike3]

Jeep is capitalized.

[VBDakota]

So is Asshat, if used as a proper noun.

[CPike3]

True. But dirty is not capitalized when describing you, IE: dirty Filipino.

[VBDakota]

HEY! 1/2 of me was offended by that remark!

[gtrsnax]

Found this on JeepForum.com

I have a 79' that had stock brakes (manual). They sucked with 33's. Before I did much else to the Jeep, I invested in hydraulic brakes:

http://www.hydratechbraking.com/products/jeepcj/ (http://www.hydratechbraking.com/products/jeepcj/)

This is the hands-down, best thing I ever upgraded on any of my Jeeps and I've owned several over the last 25+ years.

I now have 35's and it still will send a passenger through the windshield if I so desire...LOL.

Did I mention that the brakes are still stock front & rear?

I will be upgrading to the rear disc soon also, but thought you all should remember that boost is more important than rotor size, or rotor count for stopping power. Also, there is a reserve built in, in case you are running a carb that stalls your motor out and you loose power while wheeling. After you use that, it's manual brakes.

Maybe worth considering? Cant access link at work, no idea what it is or price

[gtrsnax]

Or.......some dude posted this link up, which I cant access either here at work, but see if it's got anything useful in it

http://www.geocities.com/~rivruffriders/DiskBrake.html (http://www.geocities.com/~rivruffriders/DiskBrake.html)

Some guy wanted to upgrade his Waggy 44s to disc and this was the suggesting starting point after the $800 build-up complaint

[VBDakota]

that hydratech unit is pretty nice looking... website doesn't list a price!

And the geocities website is "not found"

[gtrsnax]

HAH! Found a post by Eddie on JeepForum saying

"I've been thinking about doing a disk conversion on my CJ5's rear D44 later on this Winter. I thought I'd try CJ disks (the 1 1/8" thick ones), El Dorado Calipers (with parking brake cable hookup) and some homemade 3/8" thick brackets. If I get around to doing it this winter, I'll be sure to do a writeup and post part numbers..etc."

[VBDakota]

well damnit... he better get around to it! hahaha...

[gtrsnax]

DOH, I found a '69 Mustang guy who bought the HyrdaBrake unit and it was about $800 for the kit. So.........disregard!

[AlxJ64]

well damnit... he better get around to it! hahaha...

I'm tellin ya man. We can do it, we'll basically just use what Eddie was gonna do and go from there. I bet ya bet ya we can pull it off. It'll still cost around $150 though.. But beats the heck out of $800.

[Kack]

Those caddy calipers have a terrible track record. Can you work something with a newer F150 or dodge? Might be more durable and have the same bolt pattern

[jhama78]

Those caddy calipers have a terrible track record.


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just rebuild the stock rear brakes and run them... that way you dont hafta mess with prop valves, booster/master cyl sizing etc etc etc...

[VBDakota]

I'm not concerned about a parking brake... the thing doesnt have one now...

[FULL AWN]

E-brake options

[CPike3]

Speaking of e-brakes....

[VBDakota]

Speaking of e-brakes....

....waiting for the punchline!?...